Wednesday, February 23, 2011

Chapter 8: Deviance

Should deviant juveniles be treated like deviant adults? Explain.

Use examples from videos, readings, texts, your own research to make your case. You should have at least three entries. One where you state your case and two others where you respond to other students.

24 comments:

Robert Cotto Jr said...

Dear students,

Here is the link to the Frontline video called, "When kids get life."

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/whenkidsgetlife/view/?utm_campaign=viewpage&utm_medium=grid&utm_source=grid

Dyllan said...

I think depending on the crime and the justification of why they did the crime should decided if they are charged as an adult. The child has to at least try to get out of the abusive activity before taking any action such as murder. If they do not they deserve to be charged as an adult

Jaquan said...

I think it all depends on what the juvenile did. For an example, Jacob from this website killed his parents and i believe that he should be treated like a deviant adult. If they didn't really do anything to harm anyone then they shouldn't really be treated like a deviant adults. I'm not sticking up for the kids that did wrong things thats not as bad as murders but they should have juvenile consequences.

Jeremy said...

I believe that sentencing a minor as an adult without proper evaluation of the minor's reason for commiting the crime is wrong. With murder there is a difference between killing in cold blood and killing to stop abuse. The severity or brutality of the murder coensides with how much abuse the juvenile has been exposed to in most cases. Theft as a minor should get a sentence as a minor just as theft as an adult gets you charged as an adult.

Ian said...

I think that the severity of the crime is a major factor in determining how juveniles should be tried. All cases are different, just as each teen is different and has their own reasons for doing what they did. Juvenile murderers deserve some legal action, but also to have a look at what caused them to commit such a crime. Less extreme crimes can send the juvenile to rehab. They should be tried as juveniles, unless the most extreme cases.

Nathan said...

I believe that juveniles should not be treated as adults in the legal system because they are scientifically unable to rationalize certain things. The average juvenile's rationale is different from the average adults rationale, thus most juveniles cannot be punished as such with the exception of extreme crimes like murder and terrorism. just as Ian said, the severity of the crime is a factor. If a child steals from a store than they are given the chance to correct their behavior quicker than an adult who has had time to develop in school and in society.

Miguel said...

i think they should not be charged as an adult because not everyone is perfect. Everyone commit mistakes in life therefore they shouldnt be so harshed . Also no because the children simply aere not psychologically enough to deal with the prison environment.
if they were to go to prison, and also are not mentally capable of comprehending the consequences of their actions in a situation that will have longterm affects on their lives and as well as the lives of others. Also i believe that Many children have an immortal mentality. They do not fully comprehend the consequences and implications of their actions, and therefore are incapable of making fully logical decisions.
For these reasons children should not be tried as adults.

James said...

There are already two types of courts: one to deal with teenagers, and one to deal with adults

Teenagers most likely do crimes based on the way they were raised and treated as children and are put into situations they can't fully comprehend. They make choices on a whim due to pressure, loss of freedom, and the wanting to get out of the pain forever. They should be only treated as adults if they have developed an adult mind and had true intent of making an adult crime.

When Jacob Ind killed his mother and stepfather, Jacob had the intent to stop the pain, but not to truly kill them. "all i wanted to do was stop the pain" he said and was given life in prison. I find that unfair because of the pain that led him to this decision and now he spends his whole life free from his parents... just not how he wanted it

James said...

The only issue is that if people were sentenced by their crime and why they did it, it would make things complicated. If i were to kill a group of people because they were always attacking me, abusing me and making me feel less of a human, i would most likely be put on death row or life in prison because of the crime. If they let me go because of what they did, they would have to do it for others and it would make it seem like its ok to murder if people are doing you wrong.

Dyllan said...

I believe that a child like Jacob should should be treated as how serious the murder was. If they went on like a rampage and started cutting open their parents should be trialed as an adult but if the child is pushed to the edge to defend themselves from child abuse and sexual harrassment, and has honestly try to get help outside the home. They should be treated differently because they tried to get help as well as withstand the abuse for an amount of time then they shouldnt be in jail for life

Dyllan said...

Basically Ian's comment about the severity of the crimes rapes it all up. If the child is ripping people open like his parents or other then they should be treated as a adult. Espically if they hurt others. they have no excuse for taking their anger out on innocent bistanders. I can say an act of self defense when being attacked by like and intoxicated parent should be treated less severely then if the child planned it out and took extreme measures

Brandon L. said...

I think the a deviant child so be treated like a deviant adult under certain circumstances. If it's an emotion based crime like Jacob's then they should get severe punishment but if they have some of kind of mental issue then they shouldn't get that much of a punishment.

Brandon L. said...

I agree with what Jeremy said because some children killed so they could stop the abuse and they probably felt like if they didn't do any immediate action about it then they would've been killed first.

Brandon L. said...

I agree with Ian on looking at the severity of the crimes that the juvenile committed. If the crime is extreme then the child should get just a bad as an adult who committed the same crime.

Who am i to judge what she does, i'm not her man she is not my girl what she does is not something that i can controll but im not gonna stick around for it. said...

I believe that children who are convicted of deviant behaviors should not be treated like adults depending on how they embrace it. Meaning that if a child displays remorce along with caring or is under some kind of mental or physicall abuse that that child should not be so much let off easy but not have to suffer as a full grown adult would. For example, in the case of the young man whose stepdad was raping him he should have gotten a lighter sentence because of the abuse he was enduring.

Da-Von C. said...

I partly agree with what Jaquan said it depends on how the teen talkes what hes done and if he has learned from what he has done. Though they deserve a punishment they should be allowed to go back in society and show what he has learned.

Da-Von C. said...

I disagree with Nathans statement even though technically they are not grown they still are old enough to know the difference between right and completly wrong. I do believe some of them should not be charged as adults but they do need to take the blame for what they have done and not try to blame it on anyone or anything but themselves.

Da-Von C. said...

I believe that children who are convicted of deviant behaviors should not be treated like adults depending on how they embrace it. Meaning that if a child displays remorce along with caring or is under some kind of mental or physicall abuse that that child should not be so much let off easy but not have to suffer as a full grown adult would. For example, in the case of the young man whose stepdad was raping him he should have gotten a lighter sentence because of the abuse he was enduring.

Valerie said...

I think deviant juveniles should not be treated as deviant adults because first off juvenile brains are not fully developed and they have to learn to control their actions so trying to punish them as an adult is unreasonable and un-civil. Juveniles need to be taught how to control their anger before being punished for committing acts of violence. Some of these children havent been taught how to be moral in society and havent been socialized properly so how can we punish them as adults without giving them morals?

Valerie said...

At Jaquan, I agree that dependent on the situation it can be argued that some juveniles shouldnt be tried as adults. In other cases it can be argued that they should. Some juveniles have justified reasons for doing things, but what happens when some members have a justified reason but the lines become unclear on whether or not they should be tried as an adult? What will happen then?

Valerie said...

At Jeremy, I agree that we need to sentence by crime brutality. While there is a difference between cold blood killing and killing to stop abuse, is killing someone because you suffered right? Especially when you know right from wrong. Not only that but even when you have suffered you spend more time plotting to kill than they probably did trying to go through the right legal system to get help.

Valerie said...

At Miguel, I agree that everyone makes mistakes but when does it become a reasonable mistake to kill? People need to be punished for their actions because to me killing is not justified in any situation. There is a line that should not be crossed and in society we have subjected that line to violence.

Kevin said...

i think that juveniles should be treated like deviant adults (to an exstant) i think if there reason for being deviant is justified then they should be let off with like house arrest or probation but not a life sentance. in many of the cases on the frontline video the kids was being abused and sexualy used by there parents. after asking for help from the cops and nothing was done i do think that there reasoning was justified

Kevin said...

I agree with Dyllan when he says " If they went on like a rampage and started cutting open their parents should be trialed as an adult but if the child is pushed to the edge to defend themselves from child abuse and sexual harrassment" all he did was defend him self because he was sick of off all of the harasment that he was getting and the fact that hi mother did nothing to try to stop it.